ADMT VS 3rd Party Tools

[OJ]

Does anyone have any constructive comments to make on the arguement of
whether to use ADMT or pay for one of the 3rd party tools like Aelita
(Quest) Domain Migrator or OnePoint by Critical software.

I'm planning an NT4 to W2003 migration and althought ADMTv2 does most
things, it seems from reading white papers etc that the 3rd party tools
include some really good benefits.

has anyone got any experience of these tools?

Many thanks
OJ

[Frances [MSFT]]

Hello OJ,

Good to hear from you.

According to your post, I understand you want to determine which tool to
use when performing a NT to win2k3 migration.

It is hard for us to determine it for you. I just offer you some good
resources regarding ADMT. In Microsoft, there are many successful
experiences of similar migration scenarios using ADMT. If you choose it,
you can find many useful articles. Also we are happy to help you when you
have problems.

For your reference:

Windows 2000 Active Directory Migration Tool
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/downloads/tools/admt/default.asp

Active Directory Migration Tool Overview
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/planning/activedirectory/admt.
asp


If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to get in touch!

Best regards,

Frances He


Microsoft Online Partner Support
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[OJ]

I know which tools Microsoft would like me to use! ie. ADMT

My question was has anyone had any experience of the 3rd party tools and if
so are they worth the money.

AMDT does the job - i know that, but other tools report to do it better and
give more flexibility.

OJ

Post by Frances [MSFT]
Hello OJ,
Good to hear from you.
According to your post, I understand you want to determine which tool to
use when performing a NT to win2k3 migration.
It is hard for us to determine it for you. I just offer you some good
resources regarding ADMT. In Microsoft, there are many successful
experiences of similar migration scenarios using ADMT. If you choose it,
you can find many useful articles. Also we are happy to help you when you
have problems.
Windows 2000 Active Directory Migration Tool
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/downloads/tools/admt/default.asp
Active Directory Migration Tool Overview

http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/planning/activedirectory/admt.

Post by Frances [MSFT]
asp
If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to get in touch!
Best regards,
Frances He
Microsoft Online Partner Support
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[Frances [MSFT]]

Hello OJ,

I understand you want to compare ADMT with other migration tools. I suggest
that you search in google to get more useful information. You may also wait
for other MVPs to share peer experience and recommendations.

For your convenience, I find the following links for you. You may have a
check:

Quest Domain Migration Wizard
http://wm.quest.com/products/domainmigrationwizard/

The Hurwitz Group Benchmark on Mission Critical Software's one point
http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=2708

This response contains a reference to a third-party World Wide Web site.
Microsoft is providing this information as a convenience to you. Microsoft
does not control these sites and has not tested any software or information
found on these sites; therefore, Microsoft cannot make any representations
regarding the quality, safety, or suitability of any software or
information found there. There are inherent dangers in the use of any
software found on the Internet, and Microsoft cautions you to make sure
that you completely understand the risk before retrieving any software from
the Internet.

If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to get in touch!

Best regards,

Frances He


Microsoft Online Partner Support
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[Chandlar]

I'm in the Process of doing my second NT 4.0 to Win2kx migration. The first
one was for about 6000 users and 300 Servers and we used the Quest Suite. It
involved significant Server consolidation. The capabilities of the third part
software when it comes to consolidation over the native tools made it worth
the $$$. Particularly on the Client Workstation side. The Profile and ACL
migration was a smooth as silk .On the Server Consolidation side the third
part software provided very good tools, again on the Client profile side
(persistant drive, printer mapping reconfiguration etc) , however it was
very pricy.


Now I must admit I haven't spent a lot of time looking into the current
Version of ADMT but the the third party tools do add value. They have to.
I think the real driver is a couple of things.

1) are you doing a Pristine Win2Kx migration or an upgrade in place ? If
you doing an upgrade in place then many of the issues addressed by the third
party folks aren't an issue.
2) are you doing server consolidation? If you are are you implementing A
DFS Root structure. If you are doing a straight forward Server consolidation
without implementing A DFS root structure the third party tools can earn
there keep.
3) What's your scheudle and resourcing like. If you have little time ad
resources then thge tools can offer some advantages.


My 2 cents .



Chandlar Pigeon

Post by Frances [MSFT]
Hello OJ,
I understand you want to compare ADMT with other migration tools. I suggest
that you search in google to get more useful information. You may also wait
for other MVPs to share peer experience and recommendations.
For your convenience, I find the following links for you. You may have a
Quest Domain Migration Wizard
http://wm.quest.com/products/domainmigrationwizard/
The Hurwitz Group Benchmark on Mission Critical Software's one point
http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=2708
This response contains a reference to a third-party World Wide Web site.
Microsoft is providing this information as a convenience to you. Microsoft
does not control these sites and has not tested any software or information
found on these sites; therefore, Microsoft cannot make any representations
regarding the quality, safety, or suitability of any software or
information found there. There are inherent dangers in the use of any
software found on the Internet, and Microsoft cautions you to make sure
that you completely understand the risk before retrieving any software from
the Internet.
If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to get in touch!
Best regards,
Frances He
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
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[Don Wilwol]

I have performed several migrations with ADMT and several with third party
tools like NetIQ, bindview, Aelita and others. The tools give some
functionality that you need to work around in admt. Many of the tools will
schedule and bundle processes that are manual in ADMT. Given that, ADMT does
a fairly good job, and I've migrated up to 6000 users (including Exchange
5.5) with native MS tools.

The bottom line comes down to this, "whats your budget", the 3rd party tools
can be a bit pricey, "what's your time frame", the tools can speed things
along a little, and "whats you level of expertise", the tool can be a little
more user friendly.

My opinion, if you have a smaller environment, say less than 6000 users, and
you have time to test and research, use ADMT. If you have a larger
environment and have time constrants, start looking onto 3rd party tools.
There are a bunch out there.
--
Hope it helps...........

dw

Don Wilwol
Blog - http://spaces.msn.com/members/wilwol/
Web - http://capital.net/~wilwol/dw.htm

Post by Chandlar
I'm in the Process of doing my second NT 4.0 to Win2kx migration. The first
one was for about 6000 users and 300 Servers and we used the Quest Suite.
It
involved significant Server consolidation. The capabilities of the third part
software when it comes to consolidation over the native tools made it worth
the $$$. Particularly on the Client Workstation side. The Profile and ACL
migration was a smooth as silk .On the Server Consolidation side the third
part software provided very good tools, again on the Client profile side
(persistant drive, printer mapping reconfiguration etc) , however it was
very pricy.
Now I must admit I haven't spent a lot of time looking into the current
Version of ADMT but the the third party tools do add value. They have to.
I think the real driver is a couple of things.
1) are you doing a Pristine Win2Kx migration or an upgrade in place ? If
you doing an upgrade in place then many of the issues addressed by the third
party folks aren't an issue.
2) are you doing server consolidation? If you are are you implementing A
DFS Root structure. If you are doing a straight forward Server consolidation
without implementing A DFS root structure the third party tools can earn
there keep.
3) What's your scheudle and resourcing like. If you have little time ad
resources then thge tools can offer some advantages.
My 2 cents .
Chandlar Pigeon

Post by Frances [MSFT]
Hello OJ,
I understand you want to compare ADMT with other migration tools. I suggest
that you search in google to get more useful information. You may also wait
for other MVPs to share peer experience and recommendations.
For your convenience, I find the following links for you. You may have a
Quest Domain Migration Wizard
http://wm.quest.com/products/domainmigrationwizard/
The Hurwitz Group Benchmark on Mission Critical Software's one point
http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=2708
This response contains a reference to a third-party World Wide Web site.
Microsoft is providing this information as a convenience to you. Microsoft
does not control these sites and has not tested any software or information
found on these sites; therefore, Microsoft cannot make any
representations
regarding the quality, safety, or suitability of any software or
information found there. There are inherent dangers in the use of any
software found on the Internet, and Microsoft cautions you to make sure
that you completely understand the risk before retrieving any software from
the Internet.
If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to get in touch!
Best regards,
Frances He
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
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[OJ]

Many thanks to all who replied.
I'm upgrading 5 NT4 domains each with around 150 accounts.
There will be a small amount of server consolidation, but the domains will
remain - albeit as child domains of a root rather than the complete trust
model we have in NT4.
time is not a major issue, money can be spent if it is justified.
expertese - i have the MCSE in 2000 and NT4 - plus a copy of technet !

many thanks again
OJ

Post by Don Wilwol
I have performed several migrations with ADMT and several with third party
tools like NetIQ, bindview, Aelita and others. The tools give some
functionality that you need to work around in admt. Many of the tools will
schedule and bundle processes that are manual in ADMT. Given that, ADMT does
a fairly good job, and I've migrated up to 6000 users (including Exchange
5.5) with native MS tools.
The bottom line comes down to this, "whats your budget", the 3rd party tools
can be a bit pricey, "what's your time frame", the tools can speed things
along a little, and "whats you level of expertise", the tool can be a little
more user friendly.
My opinion, if you have a smaller environment, say less than 6000 users, and
you have time to test and research, use ADMT. If you have a larger
environment and have time constrants, start looking onto 3rd party tools.
There are a bunch out there.
--
Hope it helps...........
dw
Don Wilwol
Blog - http://spaces.msn.com/members/wilwol/
Web - http://capital.net/~wilwol/dw.htm

Post by Chandlar
I'm in the Process of doing my second NT 4.0 to Win2kx migration. The first
one was for about 6000 users and 300 Servers and we used the Quest Suite.
It
involved significant Server consolidation. The capabilities of the third part
software when it comes to consolidation over the native tools made it worth
the $$$. Particularly on the Client Workstation side. The Profile and ACL
migration was a smooth as silk .On the Server Consolidation side the third
part software provided very good tools, again on the Client profile side
(persistant drive, printer mapping reconfiguration etc) , however it was
very pricy.
Now I must admit I haven't spent a lot of time looking into the current
Version of ADMT but the the third party tools do add value. They have to.
I think the real driver is a couple of things.
1) are you doing a Pristine Win2Kx migration or an upgrade in place ?

If

Post by Don Wilwol

Post by Chandlar
you doing an upgrade in place then many of the issues addressed by the third
party folks aren't an issue.
2) are you doing server consolidation? If you are are you implementing A
DFS Root structure. If you are doing a straight forward Server consolidation
without implementing A DFS root structure the third party tools can earn
there keep.
3) What's your scheudle and resourcing like. If you have little time ad
resources then thge tools can offer some advantages.
My 2 cents .
Chandlar Pigeon

Post by Frances [MSFT]
Hello OJ,
I understand you want to compare ADMT with other migration tools. I suggest
that you search in google to get more useful information. You may also wait
for other MVPs to share peer experience and recommendations.
For your convenience, I find the following links for you. You may have a
Quest Domain Migration Wizard
http://wm.quest.com/products/domainmigrationwizard/
The Hurwitz Group Benchmark on Mission Critical Software's one point
http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=2708
This response contains a reference to a third-party World Wide Web site.
Microsoft is providing this information as a convenience to you. Microsoft
does not control these sites and has not tested any software or information
found on these sites; therefore, Microsoft cannot make any
representations
regarding the quality, safety, or suitability of any software or
information found there. There are inherent dangers in the use of any
software found on the Internet, and Microsoft cautions you to make sure
that you completely understand the risk before retrieving any software from
the Internet.
If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to get in touch!
Best regards,
Frances He
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
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